Ultimate Marvel Reading 2: Ultimate Marvel-er...?

It's been a little bit since I checked in in the Ultimate Universe. Before I got too far ahead of myself I thought I'd check in again. If you missed the first installment, you can find it here.

What did I read?

Ultimate X-men #1/2, 7-14

The Ultimates #1-3

Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #10-13

Ultimate Spider-man #14-21

What did I skip?

Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #9, #14

I do have Team-Up #9, but it's a silly non-canon story where Spider-man visits the Fantastic Four (who don't exist yet) and fights off some Skrulls (who are called Chitauri on this universe and haven't shown up yet), so I skipped it this time.

What happened?

Spider-man faces off against Doctor Octopus, while reality TV star Kraven the Hunter decides to hunt Spider-man for his show. After a couple failed run-ins work Doc Ock, he ends up defeating both him and Kraven on live TV, finally winning over some of the general public.

Also, the X-men get abducted by the evil Weapon X program, and are forced to work for them, until Wolverine teams up with Nick Fury to rescue them.

In other corners of the universe, Nick Fury has begun to recruit members for his Ultimates team, including a recently thawed out World War II hero Captain America.

There's also a random two issue Gambit story in Ultimate X-men written by Chuck Austen. He doesn't join the team or anything and just hangs out in his own corner by himself. If he does show up again in the Ultimate Universe again it's in a book I haven't read yet, and if not, it's a really weird use of a character.

What did I think?

Ultimate Spider-man continues to be the strongest title in the line, but that's to be expected as it's written by Brian Michael Bendis. It is much more character driven than either of Mark Miller's books. The Ultimate X-men are still fairly unlikable, but the Ultimates aren't as bad as I was afraid they'd be. At least not yet. 

Ultimate Marvel Team-Up took a turn for these issues. Where the first three story arc's featured fairly well known artists like Matt Wagner, Phil Hester and Mike Allred, these stories had art by a bit of obscure indie artists like Ted McKeever and Terry Moore.

One thing I'm noticing in this current read through is that there are quite a few early references to Reed Richards, The Baxter Building and Doom in these stories, implying that they're all known entities even this early. This can't be the case as we don't get to the Ultimate Fantastic Four for a while yet, although in this universe Doom is named Van Damme, and the Baxter Building is a thing before the Fantastic Four ever move in there. Also, that book was launched by these same two writers, so maybe they to salvage it more than I remember. Or maybe it's just a continuity error. That happens sometimes too.

Finally, in the first chunk of books I read I found an error on the reading order list I was using right away, so I moved to a different list. This one isn't perfect either. I'm kind of going off of two different lists now, trying to make do as best as I can. But there should be a better order. I understand it's probably impossible to get perfect, but it can be better than these I I've been finding.

Currently reading: The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract

In the stereo: Resurrection by New Found Glory

The All-time All-Minnesotan Team

I've recently been reading The New Bill James Historical Abstract, and at one point he offhandedly mentioned who would be on an all-time Oklahoma team. Naturally like most Minnesotans, this made me wonder who would be on an all-time Minnesota team. But unlike most Minnesotans, I actually sat down and tried to figure it out.

First I went to baseball-reference.com's bio search for all players who were born in Minnesota. I'm sure this presents a few problems, like players who were born out of state but were raised here, but it also presented me with an opportunity to claim Roger Maris, who only lived in Minnesota for like the first 8 years of his life. And anyway, it works good enough for my purposes.

Then I listed off all the position players from that list who had played at least 300 games at any given position, just to make the amount of names more manageable. I didn't want to do a ton of research here, so I made extensive use of Wins Above Replacement (WAR), looking at each player's average WAR per year, their WAR total for their peak 3 years, as well as their single season high. Then looking at all of this, I was able to create my all-time Minnesotan team.

Catcher: Joe Mauer (Twins; 2004-2014)

At this point in his career I guess whether or not Joe is a Hall of Famer is debatable, but whether or not he's the best Minnesota born catcher is not.

First Base: Kent Hrbek (Twins; 1981-1994)

I'll be honest, there were a couple positions I didn't even bother research. First base was one of them, although when I decided to add a DH to my team I did check some other options, and with a .282/.367/.481 career line he definitely warranted my belief in him.

Second Base: Jack Crooks (Colts, Browns, Senators & Colonels; 1889-1898)
Third Base: Paul Molitor (Brewers, Blue Jays & Twins; 1978-1998)
Shortstop: Gene DeMontreville (Pirates, Senators, Orioles, Orphans, Superbas, Beaneaters & Browns; 1894-1904)

Molitor is a Hall of Famer. He was a shoe in for this team, the question was what position would he play? The guy played pretty much everywhere, but spent the most time as a DH, at second and at third. So the question became, who are my other options at second and third? It ended up coming down to Jack Crooks (.241/.386/.322) and Gene DeMontreville (.303/.340/.373), both second basemen, putting Molitor at third. Once discovering that DeMontreville was also the only Minnesota-born player to play over 300 games at shortstop, that left Crooks at second.

Left Field: Dave Winfield (Padres, Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays, Twins & Indians; 1973-1995)
Centerfield: Mike Kingery (Royals, Mariners, Giants, Athletics, Rockies & Pirates; 1986-1996)
Right Field: Roger Maris (Indians, Athletics, Yankees & Cardinals; 1957-1968)

Really, Winfield was more of a right fielder than left, but he did have over 300 games at both and as I said earlier, I'm claiming Maris as a Minnesotan here, and he pretty much only played right. As for Kingery (.268/.330/.391) in center, well I'm not claiming he's an amazing player, but he was the only person on my list who played at least 300 games as a centerfielder. He was generally a role player, although he did get into more than 100 games in his last three seasons with Colorado and Pittsburgh.

Designated Hitter: Terry Steinbach (Athletics & Twins; 1986-1999)

I very well could have gone with Chick Gandil here. He had a higher average WAR per season as Steinbach as well as a higher peak three seasons (although their single season highs were the same). But I didn't because he was also the ringleader of the 1919 White Sox players who threw the World Series, and by all accounts was just a generally unlikable guy. So I didn't want him on my team.

Starting Pitcher: Chief Bender (Athletics Terrapins, Phillies, White Sox; 1903-1925)

I actually had the hardest time deciding which pitcher to choose. I could have just said Bender's in the Hall of Fame, he's in, but I wanted to give Jack Morris a chance too. Morris actually has the higher average WAR, but it could be a lot closer. After Bender's career was over in 1917, he became a coach and actually pitched one more game for the White Sox in 1925! It didn't go very well as he pitched one inning without a strikeout, but gave up a walk and a two-run homer. That one inning was worth -0.1 WAR according to baseball-reference. Bender does have the higher peak 3 years (16.3 to 15.1) as well as peak single season (6.0 to 5.8). So while I was leading toward Bender, I probably could have gone either way on that. The problem is WAR isn't as effective for players who played in such different eras. In the early 1900's it was a lot easier to get a higher WAR because the variance between good and bad players was much bigger. So I also consulted their career Win Shares, which is more consistent through time as a measuring device. Win Shares also showed that Bender wins. It was still quite close, but even with Win Shares, he had the better peak, a better three year peak, and he also had the better average Win Shares per season (even including that one inning in 1925 as a season).

Relief Ace: Glen Perkins (Twins; 2006-2014)

This was another close one. If you're using Perkins' entire career, Tom Burgmeier beats him, but since I'm looking for a reliever (and because I'm hugely biased), I only used Perkins' stats as a reliever. Burgmeier had some good seasons, especially with Boston in 1980 when he was an All Star and had a 4.1(!) WAR, but Glen Perkins still has time to build his relief stats a bit, and Burgmeier had some weak years as well. Only we can't write them off, because he was always a relief man.

Ultimate Reading Update

So a while back when I read through all of the original X-Force I thought I'd try to write about it as I did. It didn't last too long. I didn't do a very good job of it and lost interest pretty quickly. So what made be decide it would go better now as I read through Ultimate Marvel? I don't know, it probably won't. But we'll give it a shot.

What did I read?
Ultimate Spider-man #1-13
Ultimate X-men #1-6
Ultimate Marvel Team-up #1-8 
What did I skip?

Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra #1-4
Ultimate Elektra #1-5

I did read read the Ultimate Daredevil's back in the day, but I had checked them out from the library and never owned them. From what I remember they were pretty self contained and didn't have much of (if any) effect on the overall Ultimate Universe, so I decided not to sweat skipping those.

What happened?
Spider-man's origin is pretty much what it is at this point: Peter Parker gets bitten by a radioactive spider, gains spider-like super powers, starts wrestling to make some money, declines to prevent a petty theft by a robber who turns around and kills Uncle Ben which teaches Peter that with great power must also come great responsibility, Spider-man is born. This all remains unchanged, but this time Norman Osborne sees what the Spider has done to Peter and tries to recreate it, but just ends up turning himself into a giant green.... goblin. Spider-man defeats him and then goes on to pick on the Kingpin for a while, eventually exposing him and causing him to run and hide. Unfortunately while doing this he hurts Mary-Jane's feelings a couple times and decides to tell her his secret.

Meanwhile, Professor X recruits a team of X-Men consisting of Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Colossus, Beast Storm and Iceman to stop Magneto and his terrorist group and spread Xavier's dream of peaceful human/mutant relations. Magneto hires Wolverine to infiltrate the X-men and assassinate Xavier, but apparently the world's greatest, most deadly assassin is easily swayed by a pretty face and switches sides, just in time to help save the world from Magneto and an army of reprogrammed Sentinels.

What did I think?
At this point I've already read all of these books, so nothing is new or shocking. This is the first time I've read them in order like this though, so it's interesting to read Spider-man's first encounter with the Hulk before he shows up in the Ultimates, as they make references to his rampage through New York in that book.

The thing of note for Ultimate X-men was that I had never noticed before how there is not a single likable character in that whole first arc. I had read that book at least 2 or 3 times already before this and it never stuck out to me like this before. Every single charger comes across as a pompous, egotistical, piece of crap. All of their dialogue is super conceited and braggy. The heroes, the villains, the side characters, all of them. It kind of made it tough to read this time and I was really looking forward to finishing those issues and getting back to Spider-man. But as I recall, the Ultimates kind of come across that way too, so maybe it's just a Mark Miller thing I get to look forward to.

Either way I guess, onward we go.

Currently reading: The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract
In the stereo: Everything Will Be Alright In The End by Weezer